Better representation of programmer/buyer abilities.

[jayarjo]

... recently my ranking was 85, now its about 100-150 dont know- no difference to me ...

Other programmers also move up as well, it's just impossible to have a firm rate for eternity. I know the guy who has a rank of 17 or so, he has so many points collected that he doesn't move down for months already. So the case you are referencing here is much arguable and I think that only SL staff can bring the light to this topic.

Concerning light fixes. I do not talk here about deep level fixes, like altering default umask for suphp under CentOS in order for WP Super Cache to have ability to write readable cache files to disk. I talk about just what I mentioned above - "fix it in IE" an "install wordpress", these are not a considerable projects at all and the vast majority of all completed projects are of that kind.

And again - i do not say that rank will resolve all the problems and we will live in Nirvana I just want to get a little more detailed picture.

And let the buyer choose!..

[jack]

Originally Posted by jayarjo

And again - i do not say that rank will resolve all the problems and we will live in Nirvana I just want to get a little more detailed picture.

And let the buyer choose!..

little more detailed picture ? common

SL already has few "little more detailed pictures" which simply disorientating the buyer and tempt him to make decision based not on analysis but on kind of fake info ...

need more details ?
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lets talk about so called "certified service providers" ... who is certified provider ? this is nothing more than VERY IMPORTANT WORD "certified" ... certified by who ? they pass any hard tests or anything else ? NO they simply pays $25 ...
so this info disorienting the buyer - yes, for sure.
this is kind of fake info given to the buyer - yes, for sure.

if some one want be highlighted among others and ready to pay for this - its ok and pretty common, but do not call them "certified", call them "highlighted" (or even more neutral word), because certification has more deep sense than simply paying $25
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another thing which tempt buyers to make wrong decision is minimal project budget, as was said many times and by many service providers it should be higher. by low minimal budget projects SL tempt buyer to play roulette and choose not qualified person (digg this forum and you will see a lot of different arguments)
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so now you want to add another kind of fake info to the buyer which doesnt outline service provider expertise ? - current ranking, which is mostly depend on last earnings and activity and as was proven above level of earnings doesnt show your level of expertise at all.
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it would be better to provide to the buyer more information about service provider level of expertise like:
- stability level
- how many negative feedbacks he has
- some other REAL and useful information to the buyer but not level of earnings on SL

this info would be more useful to the buyer to make his decision about the right person.

[jayarjo]

You have touched a very vast and vague topic now, digging into which will probably take us nowhere. Despite of all the issues, SL still exists and will exist, and "certifying" feature does and will work, as well as partly absurd reviews institute, so why there shouldn't be a rank?

Certifying shows that programmer is on good account at SL. As far as I know certifying includes rechecking of programmers abilities, contacting with programmers previous clients, etc. So there's some effort involved.

Reviews express the attitude of clients to the programmer, very poorly, but anyway.

And lastly - rank. It's an indicator of how responsible and professional the programmer is. Believe me the higher the bid the greater is possibility of bad mark, 'cause buyer is more nervous about the result, he requests prompt communication on every detail, criticizes your work in every way, etc. It's very difficult to work on high bids.

So I just can't agree with you, that rank does not mean anything at all.

[jack]

Originally Posted by jayarjo

and "certifying" feature does and will work, as well as partly absurd reviews institute, so why there shouldn't be a rank?

where did you read that i'm against this feature which is pretty old, that was just small example of disorientation of the buyer by the only word "certified"

Originally Posted by jayarjo

Certifying shows that programmer is on good account at SL. As far as I know certifying includes rechecking of programmers abilities, contacting with programmers previous clients, etc. So there's some effort involved.

who said you this ? here still no tests at all, and how to test so subjective thing as web or graphical design some one likes it some one not may be it was bought on template monster or was created by subcontractor
you have not even look at application form...
Knowledge Certification: (optional)
Websites You Created: (optional)

no where mentioned about the requirement to pass some SL knowledge tests etc

i didnt say certification is nothing - its important to know that i hope at least passport data was received and verified... i said certification has just a little bit with the real provider knowledge testing... but for sure it is useful for the buyer to know that some verification was done.

Originally Posted by jayarjo

Reviews express the attitude of clients to the programmer, very poorly, but anyway.

you kidding ? the only thing that can "express the attitude of clients to the programmer" is feedback and rating in stars for the every particular project - almost the only objective thing here and for sure most important

Originally Posted by jayarjo

And lastly - rank. It's an indicator of how responsible and professional the programmer is.

have you read my explanation that money do not represent skills ?
if rating become less dependent on money and more on negative feedbacks i would agree to you.
dp ypu want me to show you few static 10 pages html sites which cost $3000 and has 2 <head>
or javascript above the <html> or has JS errors ?

earnings do not represent skills, whats a pity that you do not understand this, but current rating system based mostly on last earnings and activity... it is more important to the buyer than stability and absence of negative feedbacks ?

Originally Posted by jayarjo

Believe me the higher the bid the greater is possibility of bad mark, 'cause buyer is more nervous about the result, he requests prompt communication on every detail, criticizes your work in every way, etc. It's very difficult to work on high bids.

really ? for 7 years here i didnt know that (excuse my irony)

do not want to disappoint you but to me no difference if this $10 project
or $1000 in both cases i'll be patient to the customer needs, will propose better things, will attract his attention to some bugs or wrong things in his software if i found any, will share my ideas.

Originally Posted by jayarjo

So I just can't agree with you, that rank does not mean anything at all.

who said it doesnt mean anything at all ? i said because it is mostly based on earnings it is useless for determination purposes of the provider skills.

hard to explain for those who is reading the words but not the sense of the words.

[jayarjo]

Well, everyone may have his/her own opinion. I'm not dedicated to alter anyone's. I just proposed and I still think that it will benefit hardworking programmers. I do not understand what point you are advocating at all.

That's why I've put a poll on this topic. It's the subject for majority of users to decide. Not yours and not mine.

[bereczandor]

rank really doesnt matter this days. i cant compete with $100 bid against a lot of $10 bids...even if i am in top 50 programmers, and the 10 dollar bid coder is at the end..

[ajstevens]

As a buyer, we want value for money, times are hard on everyone, but any serious buyer is weary of $10 and under for most projects. I can only speak for myself, but I want a job done well, to my needs and just as important is the type of programmer. I need a patient, helpful, communicative one. However some low bids could be just new programmers to SL and have all those qualities but having a tough time starting, being a new buyer myself I can see how the established are prefered over the new. Plus buyers see a programmer with really high reviews... no offence but by now they could be a little full of themselves/arrogant? My feeling is to go for the personal bid/pmb message(a), they've taken time for the buyer and that's what I like and willing to pay for.

[hindiphaj]

Originally Posted by jayarjo

I think programmer/buyer rank must be also observable on project bid pages and other places along with amount of reviews. 'Cause reviews do not always represent a complete picture. There are cases, and they aren't rare, when programmer/buyer is in top 100 or so by rank and has only 7-9 reviews. In this case amount of reviews doesn't really tell observers who the guy really is.

That's not fare, at least. Is it?

Diagree completely.
No ranks.
This will make complete inpossible to take new projects for programmers with less than 100 review's.
So, also webmaster will not be happy with this.
So number of projects will fall dow.

[preetlamp]

yes good idea

[bereczandor]

Originally Posted by hindiphaj

Diagree completely.
No ranks.
This will make complete inpossible to take new projects for programmers with less than 100 review's.
So, also webmaster will not be happy with this.
So number of projects will fall dow.

sorry hindy, but i canot stop laughing at this

[unnimaxx]

Give the best, be 100%

[hsnz]

I would like to congratulate you Jayaro for such a positive idea, it's always guys like you that help make scriptlance a better place for all of us

p.s. yes, I know it's a small thing, but eventually, lots of good small things are eventually making scriptlance a great experience over many other competitors

[hsnz]

Originally Posted by bereczandor

sorry hindy, but i canot stop laughing at this

that's so mean bereczandor

and to hindi, you're trying to make a very weird link that using this feature will reduce the number of projects here

[dezynsunlimited]

Originally Posted by bereczandor

rank really doesnt matter this days. i cant compete with $100 bid against a lot of $10 bids...even if i am in top 50 programmers, and the 10 dollar bid coder is at the end..

Really hard to agree with this. I have seen $10 bids posted on projects having $200 budget. Do you really think the so called programmer making such a bid is in their mind or if they are, do they really know what they are doing. As a matter of fact, most of us here know the programmers are not selected only by the amount of bid they are placing but there are some other factors a buyer takes into consideration, factors like experience, feedback, time frame, ratings and above all communication skills. All these + the bid amount help a buyer make their choice.