Better representation of programmer/buyer abilities.

[jayarjo]

I think programmer/buyer rank must be also observable on project bid pages and other places along with amount of reviews. 'Cause reviews do not always represent a complete picture. There are cases, and they aren't rare, when programmer/buyer is in top 100 or so by rank and has only 7-9 reviews. In this case amount of reviews doesn't really tell observers who the guy really is.

That's not fare, at least. Is it?

[OxyK]

i completely agree. rank should be visible

[bhamdesigns4u]

There are many programmers out there on scriptlance and it would be a good idea to know who is who. Of course, my rank may shock even me...so.. It's a good idea.

[Rene]

Interesting idea. I've stickied this poll.

[ontest100]

I am agree to your idea.

[bereczandor]

WIll make some difference, but not so much. A proper buyer always checks the biders profile(rank), feedbacks and completed projects complexity.. SO this wount stop low quality projects or $20-30 jobs awards.

[badwolfwebdevelopment]

I concur with bereczandor, ranking whilst helpful shouldn't be the be all and end all.

Based on personal experience, "ranking" or even "feedback" can be deceiving and sort of misleading the number of feedbacks/reviews often doesn't reflect on the abilities of the programmer, it can simply mean they are willing to work for a lower than normal wage for example so more people hire them, but I guess it might help some people, so it's worth at least looking at.

[jayarjo]

Of course experienced buyers will look up reviews and completed projects, but reviews and ranks still catch ones eye. I've seen projects where buyer "prohibited" the bid for guys with amount of reviews less then 20 for example, etc. So, if there's amount of reviews, why there shouldn't be a rank too? It will give a "better representation of programmer/buyer abilities". I haven't said that it will give us a complete picture.

[hubriscorp]

Originally Posted by badwolfwebdevelopment

I concur with bereczandor, ranking whilst helpful shouldn't be the be all and end all.

Based on personal experience, "ranking" or even "feedback" can be deceiving and sort of misleading the number of feedbacks/reviews often doesn't reflect on the abilities of the programmer, it can simply mean they are willing to work for a lower than normal wage for example so more people hire them, but I guess it might help some people, so it's worth at least looking at.

But if they were working for a lower than normal wage,their rank would not be great because ranking takes into account the dollar-value of the completed projects.

Yes,ranking should be displayed along with the number of reviews.

[davidh]

Originally Posted by badwolfwebdevelopment

I concur with bereczandor, ranking whilst helpful shouldn't be the be all and end all.

Based on personal experience, "ranking" or even "feedback" can be deceiving and sort of misleading the number of feedbacks/reviews often doesn't reflect on the abilities of the programmer, it can simply mean they are willing to work for a lower than normal wage for example so more people hire them, but I guess it might help some people, so it's worth at least looking at.

Work for lower than normal wage = Lower rank

[rajesh10071986]

I too agree this

[weblepricon]

Well I think this may be unfair to new programmers...

Pure example (don't take this personal please), I'm taking us as example, Rajesh, can you please explain me how this can be good for us (we are newbies here) when we are just starting here on ScriptLance, we are both in similar position.
We are almost the same, for now...

Your rankings:
#1121 out of 3446 active Programmers. Up 209 spots since last week.

My rankings:
#1104 out of 3446 active Programmers. Up 311 spots since last week.

I just wander how this will affect new programmers? Every webmaster will want to choose someone that is top 100 or so between programmers, and where is work for the rest of us?

Good buyers (big budget projects) know how to pick programmers, as more experienced programmers/writers mentioned in earlier posts...

A proper buyer always checks the biders profile(rank), feedbacks and completed projects complexity..

Why I started work on ScriptLance? Because this is BEST place ONLINE where new programmers have chance to show their skills and because you have the BEST script/interface online IMHO.

Just my oppinon.

Regards,
Ivan

[jayarjo]

weblepricon, I was on your place and I know how does it feel when no one wants to have a business with you. But I deserved my rank working hard and sometimes for funny rates. Now when I have my rank I do not want to bid low anymore. I want to take higher. And that's where the benefit of visible rank really is. The buyer will see who is newbie and who is not, he will be able to evaluate our bids and choose one that he thinks is the best for him. He can risk and hire a newbie with lower bid or pay more and take experienced one and be sure that the work will be done in deadline and the way a buyer really wants it to be done.

That's the whole point of my suggestion.

[jack]

Originally Posted by jayarjo

I think programmer/buyer rank must be also observable on project bid pages and other places along with amount of reviews. 'Cause reviews do not always represent a complete picture. There are cases, and they aren't rare, when programmer/buyer is in top 100 or so by rank and has only 7-9 reviews. In this case amount of reviews doesn't really tell observers who the guy really is.

That's not fare, at least. Is it?

bad idea

now i'm in top 100.

from the other point if i return after a half year of inactivity my rank position will be almost in the very end even if i have about 250 very positive feedbacks.

so buyer will see that i'm in the very end and wont choose me because of this ? LOL common this is stupidity i have 245 only 10 stars feedbacks the lowest one is 7 (was made in 2001) few 8 and 9 (were made in 2003-2005) ... so because of the ranking buyer may think that i'm wrong choice, just because of inactivity period ?

in this case my ranking shouldnt be changed so much during the inactivity period ... but because its depends on earnings whole rating system need to be recreated....

[jack]

Originally Posted by weblepricon

Well I think this may be unfair to new programmers...

Pure example (don't take this personal please), I'm taking us as example, Rajesh, can you please explain me how this can be good for us (we are newbies here) when we are just starting here on ScriptLance, we are both in similar position.

Ivan

Ivan, who said newcomer's life should be easy ? its life you start your business you have to compete with many more experienced rivals on the market... why your life should be simplified but some one else more complicated ?

any way my opinion this is bad idea .. .but not because of your point to simplify your life, but because of more objective point described above (and may be some other situations)

[jayarjo]

Originally Posted by jack

Ivan, who said newcomer's life should be easy ? its life you start your business you have to compete with many more experienced rivals on the market... why your life should be simplified but some one else more complicated ?

any way my opinion this is bad idea .. .but not because of your point to simplify your life, but because of more objective point described above (and may be some other situations)

In other words you just said that the rank has no point at all, no matter where it is located. Did you?

[jack]

Originally Posted by jayarjo

In other words you just said that the rank has no point at all, no matter where it is located. Did you?

current rank system doesnt show service provider's general attitude but just last activity.

what is more important to the buyer ? to see that in last month you got $1000-$5000 and few 10 stars feedbacks or better to know that you are very stable and reputable ?

current rank system doesnt describe your reputation and stability it is mostly based on your last earnings and few last feedbacks not sure if this information is more important to the buyer than long term stability and general reputation.

in this case what the reason to show for the stable and reputable service provider his low raniking based on SL earnings ?
just to attract buyer's attention to the fact that highly reputable professional has left SL for a long time ? in this case this point mostly against SL reputation than in favor

if i would be a buyer i'd more interested in service provider
1) experience
2) stability (absence of negative feedbacks at all (or for a pretty long period), because who knows may be exactly my project become ruined next, and i waste my time and money)
3) over all reputation

as a buyer i would NOT be interested in how much money he got in last month i'm interested my project to be finished on time and receive quality service, advices, ideas etc.

[jayarjo]

If we proceed deeper in your logic then we'll get that we do not need reviews visible either. 'Cause they do not show anything valuable in most cases. The guy can have nearly 200 or 300 reviews collected from projects like "fix it in IE" an "install wordpress". Now what do his reviews tell you in this case?

I think if it's there (and in fact that's the only ranking system that we have here) - it should be visible. By the way I do not think that it degrades so much through time. I had a totally spare month and my rank stayed where it was.

[jayarjo]

If you are payed big money and given positive review that means a lot, in my opinion. Much more then 200 reviews of the kind I've stated before.

[jack]

Originally Posted by jayarjo

If we proceed deeper in your logic then we'll get that we do not need reviews visible either. 'Cause they do not show anything valuable in most cases. The guy can have nearly 200 or 300 reviews collected from projects like "fix it in IE" an "install wordpress". Now what do his reviews tell you in this case?

I think if it's there (and in fact that's the only ranking system that we have here) - it should be visible. By the way I do not think that it degrades so much through time. I had a totally spare month and my rank stayed where it was.

look at the 99% of the projects here ... most of them with the budgets under $100 (i would even say under $50), most of them connected to the fix me this fix me that (according to the programmer's work) or write me $1-5 per article, or integrate new skin to joomla, or create me logo for $10-30.

do you know that bug fixing required:
1) more skills
2) more knowledge
3) deeper understanding of everything
4) excellent analytic skills
that writing something from the scratch by your own? (you can read 1-2 books and create your own site and be paid $1,000,000 because Marketing and Advertisement ruls )

writing your own site from the scratch still doesnt mean you have a lot of knowledge or experience big money doesnt mean anything as well... in my main time i can get project for a static html site with 5-10 pages for $1500 ... so money will never show your level of expertise.
from the other side i can pick up here pretty interesting and hard in logic etc project which will take 5-7 hrs just for $100 or even less... simply because i want to do something interesting

big money on SL from the projects ? its mystery

in my main time i'm doing sites with the budgets 3000-15000, SL to me is a lovely hobby for years, thats why i'm so worried about SL in general, thats why i want SL to keep professionals here - its fun to compete with other professionals than with the noobs

about degradating so much - 4-6 monthes of absence here with my rating will positioning me between 2000-3000
(recently my ranking was 85, now its about 100-150 dont know- no difference to me ... simply dont have a lot of free time right now, and thinking about living SL once again for a long time, even for a hobby no reason to waste time by reading stupidity like "give me youtube clone for $50" or "you must write 90,000 lines of code per day" LOL)